FJ5 – Saving a Life or Prolonging a Death – The Final Journey with Dr. Stephen Doran M.D. – Discerning Hearts Catholic Podcasts

Episode 5 – Saving a Life or Prolonging a Death  – The Final Journey with Dr. Stephen Doran, M.D.

In this episode, Dr. Stephen Doran and Kris McGregor engage in a thoughtful discussion on the delicate topic of withdrawing care from individuals grappling with severe illnesses. Dr. Doran emphasizes the intricacies and moral considerations that surround such decisions, underlining the significance of understanding the patient’s prognosis, level of function, age, and unique circumstances.

The discussion delves into the multifaceted nature of pain, encompassing emotional, physical, and spiritual dimensions. It underscores the necessity of adopting a holistic approach in medical care, recognizing the interconnectedness of these elements. Ventilators emerge as a focal point, with Dr. Doran addressing the ethical and emotional challenges confronted by caregivers, families, and medical professionals when deciding on life-prolonging measures.

Dr. Doran acknowledges the grace inherent in a holy death and the importance of understanding that withdrawing life support doesn’t equate to causing the person’s death. Instead, it signifies allowing a natural transition. The conversation seeks to provide guidance and support for caregivers navigating the intricate decisions involved in end-of-life care.

For more episodes in the series, visit The Final Journey: Insights from a Catholic Doctor and Neurosurgeon w/ Dr. Stephen Doran M.D.  – Discerning Hearts Podcasts.

Stephen Doran, M.D., a board-certified neurosurgeon with over twenty-five years of experience, is an ordained permanent deacon and serves as the bioethicist for the Archdiocese of Omaha. His writings in bioethics, neurosurgery, and gene therapy for brain disorders have been widely published in national media outlets, academic journals, and neurosurgery textbooks. He is married with five sons. He co-founded Seeking Truth Catholic Bible Study with his wife, Sharon.


Discerning Hearts reflection questions for this episode:

  1. Personal Values and End-of-Life Decisions: How do personal values and faith influence decisions about end-of-life care? Reflect on how your beliefs would shape your choices in a similar situation.
  2. The Role of Spirituality in Suffering: Dr. Doran discusses the physical, emotional, and spiritual aspects of pain. Reflect on how spirituality can help individuals cope with suffering, especially during terminal illness.
  3. Ethical Considerations in Withdrawing Care: Consider the ethical dilemmas that arise when deciding to withdraw medical treatment. How can families navigate these complex decisions while honoring the dignity of the patient?
  4. Family Dynamics in Healthcare Decisions: Reflect on the importance of communication within families during critical healthcare decisions. How can families ensure that all voices are heard and respected?
  5. Impact of Healthcare Providers’ Communication: How does the approach and communication of healthcare providers affect the decision-making process for families in end-of-life situations?
  6. Balancing Hope and Reality in Treatment Decisions: Reflect on the balance between maintaining hope and facing the reality of a terminal prognosis. How can patients and families navigate this delicate balance?
  7. Moral Responsibility in End-of-Life Choices: Consider the feelings of guilt or responsibility family members may experience when making end-of-life decisions. How can individuals reconcile these feelings with the reality of the situation?
  8. Lessons from Patient Stories: Reflect on the stories of Mary and Roberta shared in the podcast. What can we learn from their experiences about grace, courage, and acceptance in the face of terminal illness?
  9. Role of Prayer in Difficult Decisions: How can prayer and spiritual guidance aid in making tough decisions about end-of-life care?
  10. Preparing for End-of-Life Decisions: What steps can individuals take now to prepare for potential end-of-life decisions, both for themselves and their loved ones?


You can find the book here

From the book description:

Dr. Stephen Doran draws from his vast experience as a neurosurgeon, a bioethicist, and a permanent deacon to present the Catholic perspective on the art of dying well. The spiritual and moral issues related to death and the process of dying can be challenging and complicated. To Die Well provides a detailed yet readily understandable guide to these topics.

Each chapter begins with a story from Dr. Doran’s personal or professional life that not only provides context for the topic at hand but also gently draws the reader toward the personal realities of dying. The first part focuses on the moral issues that surround death and dying, including end-of-life medical decisions. The second part is devoted to the Catholic spiritual understanding of dying and the rites that accompany the death of a Catholic.

To Die Well will help readers contemplate, pray about, and prepare for the end of their earthly lives.

 

LOTR5 – Frodo’s Journey of Mercy and Transformation – A Lord of the Rings Spiritual Retreat w/Fr. Timothy Gallagher – Discerning Hearts Podcast

Episode 5 – Frodo’s Journey of Mercy and Transformation – A Lord of the Rings Spiritual Retreat w/Fr. Timothy Gallagher – Discerning Hearts Podcast

BA6 - "Refuse to Accept Discouragement" - Begin Again: The Spiritual Legacy of Ven. Bruno Lanteri with Fr. Timothy Gallagher

Father Gallagher and Kris McGregor discuss the spiritual journey of Frodo in “The Lord of the Rings,” particularly the latter part of his journey. He highlights Frodo’s growth and sanctification, as symbolized by Tolkien through Frodo’s changing appearance and inner light. This transformation reflects the spiritual development one undergoes through trials and tribulations.

The discussion moves on to Frodo’s challenges, his suffering, and his gradual transformation. Frodo’s journey is contrasted with Sam’s; while Sam returns to a normal life in the Shire, Frodo is forever changed by his experiences. This is emblematic of different life paths and vocations people undertake.

Father Gallagher then elaborates on Frodo’s inability to destroy the Ring, interpreting it not as a moral failure but a physical and mental exhaustion. He explains how Frodo’s earlier acts of mercy and pity, especially towards Gollum, play a crucial role in the destruction of the Ring and the salvation of Middle-Earth. This act of mercy is contrasted with traditional heroic acts, highlighting a Christian perspective of heroism through forgiveness and compassion.

In conclusion, Father Gallagher reflects on Frodo’s journey as a metaphor for the human experience. He stresses that our struggles, coupled with our capacity for mercy and forgiveness, can lead to fulfilling our life’s mission.


‘Are you in pain, Frodo?’ said Gandalf quietly as he rode by Frodo’s side. ‘Well, yes I am,’ said Frodo. ‘It is my shoulder. The wound aches, and the memory of darkness is heavy on me. It was a year ago today.’ ‘Alas! there are some wounds that cannot be wholly cured,’ said Gandalf. ‘I fear it may be so with mine,’ said Frodo. ‘There is no real going back. Though I may come to the Shire, it will not seem the same; for I shall not be the same. I am wounded with knife, sting, and tooth, and a long burden. Where shall I find rest?’ Gandalf did not answer.

Tolkien, J.R.R.. The Return of the King: Being the Third Part of the Lord of the Rings (Kindle Locations 4887-4892). Houghton Mifflin Harcourt. Kindle Edition..

But I have been too deeply hurt, Sam. I tried to save the Shire, and it has been saved, but not for me. It must often be so, Sam, when things are in danger: some one has to give them up, lose them, so that others may keep them.

Tolkien, J.R.R.. The Return of the King: Being the Third Part of the Lord of the Rings (Kindle Locations 5696-5697). Houghton Mifflin Harcourt. Kindle Edition.

Father Timothy M. Gallagher, O.M.V., was ordained in 1979 as a member of the Oblates of the Virgin Mary, a religious community dedicated to retreats and spiritual formation according to the Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius. Fr. Gallagher is featured on the EWTN series “Living the Discerning Life: The Spiritual Teachings of St. Ignatius of Loyola”.

For more information on how to obtain copies of Fr. Gallaghers’s various books and audio which are available for purchase, please visit his website: frtimothygallagher.org

For the other episodes in this series check out Fr. Timothy Gallagher’s “Discerning Hearts” page


Discerning Hearts reflection questions for this episode

Reflecting on the themes discussed in the podcast episode “Frodo’s Journey of Mercy and Transformation” with Fr. Timothy Gallagher, here are some study questions for reflection:

  1. Exploring Personal Transformation: How does Frodo’s journey in “The Lord of the Rings” reflect the transformations we undergo in our own spiritual lives? In what ways have you experienced personal growth through challenges and trials?
  2. The Power of Mercy and Pity: Father Gallagher highlights the importance of Frodo’s mercy towards Gollum. Reflect on a time when showing mercy or pity towards someone had a significant impact, either on your life or theirs.
  3. Understanding Failure and Weakness: Frodo’s inability to destroy the Ring is seen not as a moral failure but as a result of his exhaustion and the overwhelming power of the Ring. How does this perspective change your understanding of personal failures or weaknesses?
  4. The Role of Suffering in Spiritual Growth: Frodo’s journey is marked by suffering that leads to his spiritual growth. Can you identify moments in your life where suffering has contributed to your spiritual development?
  5. Contrasting Paths: Frodo and Sam: Frodo and Sam’s divergent paths after their journey illustrate different vocations and life choices. How do you relate this to the different paths people take in life, and how does it reflect the diversity of God’s callings?
  6. The Christian Concept of Heroism: Father Gallagher discusses a Christian sense of heroism rooted in forgiveness, mercy, and compassion, as opposed to traditional notions of heroism. How does this concept challenge or reinforce your understanding of what it means to be a hero?
  7. Applying Lessons from the Journey: What lessons from Frodo’s journey can be applied to contemporary challenges in your community or the world at large? How can these lessons inspire actions rooted in mercy and compassion?
  8. Reflection on Personal Sacrifices: Frodo sacrifices his own peace for the greater good. Reflect on a personal sacrifice you’ve made for others. How did this experience shape your understanding of love and service?
  9. Contemplating Spiritual Guides: Gandalf’s role in guiding Frodo and his friends can be seen as a metaphor for spiritual guidance. Who have been your Gandalfs in your spiritual journey, and how have they influenced your path?
  10. The Journey’s End and New Beginnings: Frodo’s journey ends with him finding peace in a different realm. How does this ending resonate with your understanding of life’s journey and the hope of eternal peace in the Christian faith?

 

BTP-LOT9 – Struggles with Prayer and Relationships – The Life of St. Teresa of Avila – Beginning to Pray with Dr. Anthony Lilles Discerning Hearts Podcast

Struggles with Prayer and Relationships – The Life of St. Teresa of Avila – Beginning to Pray with Dr. Anthony Lilles

Join Dr. Anthony Lilles and Kris McGregor as they dive into the life of St. Teresa of Avila, using her autobiography, “The Life of St. Teresa of Jesus of The Order of Our Lady of Carmel”.

In this podcast episode, Dr. Anthony Lilles and Kris McGregor focus on Chapter 7  and her spiritual journey and struggles. They discuss how Teresa’s illness led to a renewed connection with prayer and the discovery of St. Joseph’s devotion. The conversation highlights her difficulties with prayer due to distractions and the influence of negative relationships, particularly those not conducive to her religious life. A significant part of the discussion revolves around her relationship with her father and how this influenced her spiritual growth, leading to a deeper understanding of prayer and devotion amidst life’s challenges. The episode emphasizes the importance of dedicated prayer time and maintaining spiritual focus despite external distractions.


St. Teresa of Avila Interior Castle Podcast Anthony Lilles Kris McGregor

For more episodes in this series: The Life of St. Teresa of Avila; with Dr. Anthony Lilles 

For an audio version of the book  “The Life of St. Teresa of Jesus” by St. Teresa of Avila 

For other audio recordings of various spiritual classics, you can visit the Discerning Hearts Spiritual Classics page.


Discerning Hearts reflection questions for this episode:

  1. How can personal relationships impact our spiritual journey, as seen in St. Teresa’s life?
  2. In what ways do struggles and challenges deepen our faith and prayer life?
  3. How can we balance our spiritual commitments with our earthly responsibilities, similar to St. Teresa?
  4. What insights can we gain from St. Teresa’s relationship with her father about honesty in our spiritual lives?
  5. How does the concept of praying without ceasing apply to modern-day challenges?

An excerpt for Chapter 7, discussed in this episode:

“The reason why they thought I was not so wicked was this: they saw that I, who was so young, and exposed to so many occasions of sin, withdrew myself so often into solitude for prayer, read much, spoke of God, that I liked to have His image painted in many places, to have an oratory of my own, and furnish it with objects of devotion, that I spoke ill of no one, and other things of the same kind in me which have the appearance of virtue. Yet all the while—I was so vain—I knew how to procure respect for myself by doing those things which in the world are usually regarded with respect.

In consequence of this, they gave me as much liberty as they did to the oldest nuns, and even more, and had great confidence in me; for as to taking any liberty for myself, or doing anything without leave—such as conversing through the door, or in secret, or by night—I do not think I could have brought myself to speak with anybody in the monastery in that way, and I never did it; for our Lord held me back. It seemed to me—for I considered many things carefully and of set purpose—that it would be a very evil deed on my part, wicked as I was, to risk the credit of so many nuns, who were all good—as if everything else I did was well done! In truth, the evil I did was not the result of deliberation, as this would have been, if I had done it, although it was too much so.

Therefore, I think that it did me much harm to be in a monastery not enclosed. The liberty which those who were good might have with advantage—they not being obliged to do more than they do, because they had not bound themselves to enclosure—would certainly have led me, who am wicked, straight to hell, if our Lord, by so many remedies and means of His most singular mercy, had not delivered me out of that danger—and it is, I believe, the very greatest danger—namely, a monastery of women unenclosed—yea, more, I think it is, for those who will be wicked, a road to hell, rather than a help to their weakness. This is not to be understood of my monastery; for there are so many there who in the utmost sincerity, and in great perfection, serve our Lord, so that His Majesty, according to His goodness, cannot but be gracious unto them; neither is it one of those which are most open for all religious observances are kept in it; and I am speaking only of others which I have seen and known.”

Excerpt from Chapter 7 from “The Life of St. Teresa of Jesus of The Order of Our Lady of Carmel”


Anthony Lilles, S.T.D. is an associate professor and the academic dean of Saint John’s Seminary in Camarillo as well as the academic advisor for Juan Diego House of Priestly Formation for the Archdiocese of Los Angeles. For over twenty years he served the Church in Northern Colorado where he joined and eventually served as dean of the founding faculty of Saint John Vianney Theological Seminary in Denver. Through the years, clergy, seminarians, religious and lay faithful have benefited from his lectures and retreat conferences on the Carmelite Doctors of the Church and the writings of St. Elisabeth of the Trinity.


  • 00:00-01:41: Introduction to the podcast
  • 01:41-02:11: Dr. Lilles and McGregor discuss St. Teresa’s life.
  • 02:11-04:25: Focus on a chapter in St. Teresa’s autobiography about her struggles with prayer and relationships.
  • 04:25-06:53: Discussion on how personal relationships can impact one’s spiritual journey.
  • 06:53-08:17: The importance of prayer in religious life and the challenges posed by external relationships.
  • 08:17-10:35: Discussion on continuous prayer and balancing spiritual and earthly responsibilities.
  • 10:35-13:30: The influence of friendships on spiritual growth.
  • 16:02-18:31: Examination of St. Teresa’s relationship with her father and its impact on her spiritual life.
  • 18:31-22:01: Detailed look at a pivotal conversation between St. Teresa and her father.
  • 22:01-24:47: Reflections on accompanying someone at the time of death.
  • 24:47-27:59: The significance of dedicated prayer time in different life stages.
  • 27:59-30:44: Discussion on overcoming self-doubt and trusting in God’s love.
  • 30:44-31:59: Closing reflections and encouragement for deep prayer.

LOTR4 – The Hidden Heroism of Hobbits – A Lord of the Rings Spiritual Retreat with Fr. Timothy Gallagher – Discerning Hearts Podcast

The Hidden Heroism of Hobbits – A “Lord of the Rings” Spiritual Retreat with Fr. Timothy Gallagher

BA6 - "Refuse to Accept Discouragement" - Begin Again: The Spiritual Legacy of Ven. Bruno Lanteri with Fr. Timothy Gallagher In this episode, Fr. Timothy Gallagher and Kris McGregor explore themes from “The Lord of the Rings,” focusing on Frodo Baggins and his transformative journey. They highlight Tolkien’s inspiration from World War I, depicting the hidden heroism in ordinary people, particularly hobbits.

The discussion emphasizes Frodo’s courageous “yes” to God’s call, drawing parallels to moments in our lives when we face overwhelming challenges. Tolkien intentionally centered the story on hobbits, portraying the sanctification of the humble and the belief that ordinary individuals can grow in holiness.

Fr. Gallagher brings up Fatty Bolger’s choice not to join the journey symbolizes those who fear the unknown, yet he contributes to resisting evil forces in the Shire; connecting Fatty’s reluctance to our own fears when confronted with God’s call.

The pivotal moment at the Council of Elrond, where Frodo volunteers to carry the One Ring, underscores the interplay of freedom and grace. Elrond’s recognition of Frodo’s unique task reflects the dignity in every person’s life, emphasizing the “scandal of particularity.”


“Elrond raised his eyes and looked at him, and Frodo felt his heart pierced by the sudden keenness of the glance. ‘If I understand aright all that I have heard,’ he said, ‘I think that this task is appointed for you, Frodo; and that if you do not find a way, no one will. This is the hour of the Shire-folk, when they arise from their quiet fields to shake the towers and counsels of the Great. Who of all the Wise could have foreseen it? Or, if they are wise, why should they expect to know it, until the hour has struck?

‘But it is a heavy burden. So heavy that none could lay it on another. I do not lay it on you. But if you take it freely, I will say that your choice is right; and though all the mighty Elf-friends of old, Hador, and Húrin, and Túrin, and Beren himself were assembled together, your seat should be among them.’”

Tolkien, J.R.R. (2012-02-15). The Fellowship of the Ring: Being the First Part of The Lord of the Rings (p. 270-271). Houghton Mifflin Harcourt. Kindle Edition.


Father Timothy M. Gallagher, O.M.V., was ordained in 1979 as a member of the Oblates of the Virgin Mary, a religious community dedicated to retreats and spiritual formation according to the Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius. Fr. Gallagher is featured on the EWTN series “Living the Discerning Life: The Spiritual Teachings of St. Ignatius of Loyola”.

For more information on how to obtain copies of Fr. Gallaghers’s various books and audio which are available for purchase, please visit his website: frtimothygallagher.org

For the other episodes in this series check out Fr. Timothy Gallagher’s “Discerning Hearts” page


Discerning Hearts reflection questions for this episode

Reflecting on the themes discussed in the podcast episode “The Hidden Heroism of Hobbits” with Fr. Timothy Gallagher, here are some study questions for reflection:

  1. Frodo’s Courageous ‘Yes’: Consider a moment in your life when you felt called to say “yes” to a challenging or overwhelming task. How did you respond, and what did you learn from that experience?
  2. The Sanctification of the Humble: Tolkien highlights the heroism in ordinary characters like hobbits. How does this perspective influence your understanding of holiness and heroism in everyday life?
  3. Fatty Bolger’s Reluctance and Contribution: Fatty Bolger’s choice not to join the main journey but still contributing in his own way is symbolic. Can you identify moments in your life where you or someone you know contributed in a less obvious but still significant way?
  4. Freedom and Grace at the Council of Elrond: Frodo’s decision to carry the One Ring illustrates the balance of freedom and grace. How do you see this balance playing out in your own life decisions and commitments?
  5. The ‘Scandal of Particularity’: Elrond’s acknowledgment of Frodo’s unique role underlines the dignity and importance of each individual’s life. How does this concept resonate with your understanding of your own life’s purpose?
  6. Responding to God’s Call in the Face of Fear: Frodo’s journey can be seen as a metaphor for responding to God’s call. How can Frodo’s example help you face your own fears and uncertainties in life?
  7. The Role of the Unlikely Hero: Tolkien’s emphasis on hobbits as unlikely heroes challenges conventional views of strength and power. How does this change your view of what it means to be a hero or a leader?
  8. The Importance of Community Support: Frodo did not undertake his journey alone; he had the support of a diverse community. How important is your community in supporting your spiritual journey and life’s challenges?

These questions aim to foster deeper reflection on the spiritual and personal growth themes explored in the podcast, drawing insights from Frodo’s journey in “The Lord of the Rings.”

Embracing Humility and Simplicity – Third Sunday of Advent – Building a Kingdom of Love w/ Msgr. John Esseff – Discerning Hearts Podcast

Embracing Humility and Simplicity – Third Sunday of Advent – Building a Kingdom of Love w/ Msgr. John Esseff – Discerning Hearts Podcast

In this podcast, Msgr. John Esseff offers insightful reflections on Christian spirituality, focusing on humility, simplicity, and the essence of Christmas. He begins by discussing Francis of Assisi’s deep connection with nature and habit of addressing everyone as “brother,” drawing parallels with Jesus’ harmony with the universe. Msgr. Esseff then highlights the significance of Mary in Christian theology, emphasizing her humility as a central theme in the narrative of salvation. He delves into the theological aspects of obedience and humility, referencing biblical passages to underline the roles of Jesus and Mary in this context. Reflecting on the Nativity story, he underscores the spiritual power of humility and simplicity, as exemplified by Mary and Joseph in Bethlehem. Msgr. Esseff also shares personal experiences with people in poverty, linking material poverty with spiritual richness and connecting these insights to the true essence of Christmas – a celebration of love, humility, and joy.


Msgr. John A. Esseff is a Roman Catholic priest in the Diocese of Scranton.  Msgr. Esseff served a retreat director and confessor to St. Teresa of Calcutta.    He continues to offer direction and retreats for the sisters of the missionaries of charity around the world.  Msgr. Esseff encountered St. Padre Pio,  who would become a spiritual father to him.  He has lived in areas around the world,  serving in the Pontifical missions, a Catholic organization established by St. Pope John Paul II to bring the Good News to the world especially to the poor. He continues to serve as a retreat leader and director to bishops, priests and sisters and seminarians and other religious leaders around the world.   

LORT3 – Frodo’s Quest: Embracing Life’s Challenges – A Lord of the Rings Spiritual Retreat w/ Fr. Timothy Gallagher – Discerning Hearts Podcast

Frodo’s Quest: Embracing Life’s Challenges – A Lord of the Rings Spiritual Retreat w/ Fr. Timothy Gallagher – Discerning Hearts Podcast

BA6 - "Refuse to Accept Discouragement" - Begin Again: The Spiritual Legacy of Ven. Bruno Lanteri with Fr. Timothy Gallagher In this episode, Father Timothy Gallagher discusses the spiritual and personal growth lessons that can be drawn from the character of Frodo in J.R.R. Tolkien’s “The Lord of the Rings”. Host Kris McGregor and Father Gallagher explore how Frodo’s journey and struggles with the responsibility of the ring mirror our own challenges in life.

Father Gallagher emphasizes that, like Frodo, we often feel ill-equipped for the tasks or challenges God places before us. Frodo’s initial reluctance and feeling of being ‘too small’ for such a perilous quest is a sentiment shared by many biblical figures and ordinary people alike. However, Gandalf’s role in Frodo’s journey symbolizes the presence of God’s grace, assuring us that we are never alone in our struggles and that we have been chosen for our tasks for a reason.

The conversation also touches upon the theme of free will and the importance of the choices we make. Gandalf’s faithfulness, in contrast to the betrayal of other characters like Saruman, shows the significant impact our decisions have in the world. The podcast highlights that while we may feel overwhelmed and unprepared for the challenges we face, with faith and support, we are capable of extraordinary things.

Overall, the episode delves into the deeper meanings behind Tolkien’s characters and narrative, drawing parallels between Frodo’s journey and our own spiritual and personal challenges, reminding listeners of the strength and heroism inherent in even the most ordinary of people.


He went to the window and drew aside the curtains and the shutters. Sunlight streamed back again into the room. Sam passed along the path outside whistling. ‘And now,’ said the wizard, turning back to Frodo, ‘the decision lies with you. But I will always help you.’ He laid his hand on Frodo’s shoulder. ‘I will help you bear this burden, as long as it is yours to bear. But we must do something, soon. The Enemy is moving.’

There was a long silence. Gandalf sat down again and puffed at his pipe, as if lost in thought. His eyes seemed closed, but under the lids he was watching Frodo intently. Frodo gazed fixedly at the red embers on the hearth, until they filled all his vision, and he seemed to be looking down into profound wells of fire. He was thinking of the fabled Cracks of Doom and the terror of the Fiery Mountain.

‘Well!’ said Gandalf at last. ‘What are you thinking about? Have you decided what to do?’

‘No!’ answered Frodo, coming back to himself out of darkness, and finding to his surprise that it was not dark, and that out of the window he could see the sunlit garden. ‘Or perhaps, yes. As far as I understand what you have said, I suppose I must keep the Ring and guard it, at least for the present, whatever it may do to me.’

‘Whatever it may do, it will be slow, slow to evil, if you keep it with that purpose,’ said Gandalf.

Tolkien, J.R.R.. The Fellowship of the Ring: Being the First Part of The Lord of the Rings (pp. 61-62). Houghton Mifflin Harcourt. Kindle Edition.

Father Timothy M. Gallagher, O.M.V., was ordained in 1979 as a member of the Oblates of the Virgin Mary, a religious community dedicated to retreats and spiritual formation according to the Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius. Fr. Gallagher is featured on the EWTN series “Living the Discerning Life: The Spiritual Teachings of St. Ignatius of Loyola”.

For more information on how to obtain copies of Fr. Gallaghers’s various books and audio which are available for purchase, please visit his website: frtimothygallagher.org

For the other episodes in this series check out Fr. Timothy Gallagher’s “Discerning Hearts” page


Discerning Hearts Reflection questions for this episode:

Reflecting on the themes discussed in the podcast “Frodo’s Quest: Embracing Life’s Challenges – A Lord of the Rings Spiritual Retreat” with Fr. Timothy Gallagher, here are some study questions for reflection:

  1. Relating to Personal Challenges: How do Frodo’s feelings of being ‘too small’ and unprepared for his quest reflect our own feelings when faced with life’s challenges? Can you recall a time when you felt similarly and how you overcame it?
  2. Understanding God’s Grace: Gandalf’s role in Frodo’s journey is seen as a symbol of God’s grace. How does this compare to your understanding of God’s support in your life? Can you identify moments where you felt a similar form of guidance or support?
  3. Free Will and Decision Making: In what ways do the choices made by Frodo and other characters in “The Lord of the Rings” mirror the importance of our own decisions in life? Can you think of a decision you made that had a significant impact on your life or on others?
  4. Embracing the Unknown: Frodo accepts his quest despite uncertainty and fear. How does this relate to the way we, as individuals, are called to embrace our own life’s missions, even when the path is not clear?
  5. Finding Strength in Ordinary People: The podcast highlights the heroism in ordinary people, like Frodo. How does this perspective change the way you view your own potential and the potential of those around you?
  6. Reflection on Spiritual Growth: How do the themes and characters in “The Lord of the Rings” encourage you to reflect on your own spiritual journey? Are there specific aspects of your faith or spiritual life that resonate with Frodo’s journey?
  7. Interpreting Gandalf’s Advice: Reflect on Gandalf’s statement, “I will help you bear this burden, as long as it is yours to bear.” How can this be interpreted in the context of your own life challenges and the support you receive?
  8. The Role of Community in Overcoming Challenges: Frodo’s journey is not a solitary one; he is supported by a community. How important is community in your spiritual life and in facing life’s challenges?

Here’s a brief summary of each timestamped section from the podcast:

  • 00:00: Introduction to the episode featuring Father Timothy Gallagher discussing a spiritual retreat themed around “The Lord of the Rings”, hosted by Kris McGregor.
  • 01:04 – 01:05: Father Gallagher responds to Kris McGregor’s welcome.
  • 01:05 – 01:16: Kris McGregor sets the topic of discussion, asking Father Gallagher to elaborate on the character of Frodo from “The Lord of the Rings”.
  • 01:16 – 02:19: Father Gallagher begins his analysis of Frodo, focusing on Gandalf’s revelation to Frodo about being chosen to possess the ring and the challenges it brings.
  • 02:19 – 03:23: Discussion about Frodo learning there’s no easy way to destroy the ring, and the need for him to accept a difficult path as part of a divine design.
  • 03:23 – 04:20: Father Gallagher elaborates on how Frodo’s feelings of inadequacy and reluctance reflect common human experiences when faced with daunting tasks.
  • 04:20 – 05:30: Gandalf’s advice to Frodo is analyzed, emphasizing the notion that being chosen for a task is not due to inherent superiority but for fulfilling a specific role.
  • 05:30 – 06:33: Comparison of Frodo’s situation with biblical figures like Gideon and Peter, highlighting the theme of humility and being chosen despite feeling inadequate.
  • 06:33 – 07:29: Father Gallagher quotes from Corinthians to emphasize how God often chooses the seemingly weak or foolish for important tasks.
  • 07:29 – 08:35: The discussion shifts to understanding one’s own strengths and using them, regardless of how inadequate they might seem, in fulfilling their calling.
  • 08:35 – 09:36: The concept of individual freedom and divine support is discussed, with Gandalf’s assurance of help to Frodo serving as an example.
  • 09:36 – 10:34: Gandalf’s role as an embodiment of grace and divine guidance is analyzed, along with the free will to choose one’s path.
  • 10:34 – 11:42: Explanation of Gandalf’s origins as one of the wizards sent to Middle-earth, and his role in the larger context of the story.
  • 11:42 – 12:42: Further exploration of the wizards in “The Lord of the Rings”, including Saruman’s betrayal and its consequences.
  • 12:42 – 13:48: Examination of the various fates and roles of the five wizards sent to Middle-earth and their impact on the story.
  • 13:48 – 17:12: The importance of Gandalf’s faithfulness and the broader implications of choices made by characters in the story are discussed.
  • 17:12 – 17:53: Kris McGregor reflects on how the story of Frodo and Gandalf’s guidance offers insights into personal growth and the impact of our choices.
  • 17:53 – 19:55: Father Gallagher continues discussing the consequences of choices made by characters in “The Lord of the Rings” and their parallels in real life.
  • 19:55 – 20:57: The theme of mutual support and the importance of community in the spiritual journey is explored.
  • 20:57 – 22:08: Frodo’s contemplation of his task and the realization that he may need to leave his home is discussed.
  • 22:08 – 23:00: The podcast delves into Frodo’s acceptance of his journey, despite his fears and uncertainties.
  • 23:00 – 24:04: Gandalf’s reassurance to Frodo about not being alone in his journey and the unexpected courage that emerges in challenging times.
  • 24:04 – 25:00: Frodo’s sudden desire to find Bilbo and his internal struggle with the task at hand are highlighted.
  • 25:00 – 26:09: Gandalf’s admiration for hobbits’ resilience and their ability to surprise even in difficult circumstances.
  • 26:09 – 27:10: Tolkien’s description of hobbits and their characteristics is discussed, highlighting their unexpected heroism.
  • 27:10 – 28:11: Analysis of hobbits’ small stature as a literary device to showcase the heroism of ordinary people.
  • 28:11 – 28:24: Kris McGregor comments on learning about oneself through the characters of “The Lord of the Rings”.
  • 28:24 – 28:29: Father Gallagher agrees, noting the rich applicability of the story to personal growth and understanding.
  • 28:29 – 28:31: Closing remarks by Kris McGregor and Father Gallagher.

 

St. John of the Cross with Dr. Anthony Lilles – Beginning to Pray Special – Discerning Hearts Podcast

St. John of the Cross with Dr. Anthony Lilles – Beginning to Pray Special – Discerning Hearts Podcast

Dr. Anthony Lilles and Kris McGregor discuss the relationship between St. John of the Cross and St. Teresa of Avila. St. John initially considered joining the Carthusians due to his inclination toward the contemplative life. However, after encountering St. Teresa and her vision for the reform of the Carmelite order, he changed his vocation. St. Teresa convinced him that the renewal of the Church’s mental prayer and contemplation would be achieved through the reform of the Carmelites.

St. John of the Cross’ insights on the diversity of gifts within the Church are also mentioned, emphasizing the complementarity of different religious orders.

St. John of the Cross

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Anthony Lilles, S.T.D. is an associate professor and the academic dean of Saint John’s Seminary in Camarillo as well as the academic advisor for Juan Diego House of Priestly Formation for the Archdiocese of Los Angeles. For over twenty years he served the Church in Northern Colorado where he joined and eventually served as dean of the founding faculty of Saint John Vianney Theological Seminary in Denver. Through the years, clergy, seminarians, religious and lay faithful have benefited from his lectures and retreat conferences on the Carmelite Doctors of the Church and the writings of St. Elisabeth of the Trinity.

BTP-LOT8 – A Spiritual Awakening Through Suffering – The Life of St. Teresa of Avila – Beginning to Pray with Dr. Anthony Lilles Discerning Hearts Podcast

A Spiritual Awakening Through Suffering – The Life of St. Teresa of Avila – Beginning to Pray with Dr. Anthony Lilles

Join Dr. Anthony Lilles and Kris McGregor as they dive into the life of St. Teresa of Avila, using her autobiography, “The Life of St. Teresa of Jesus of The Order of Our Lady of Carmel”. In this episode, Dr. Lilles discuss Teresa’s novitiate experience, where she was considered dead for four days.

Her severe illness, questionable medical treatment, and subsequent recovery are recounted, emphasizing her gratitude for God’s grace and a renewed commitment to prayer during a three-year recovery marked by comas and pain. Teresa’s struggle with discouragement during her recovery becomes a central theme, with a focus on her fear of offending God and reluctance to confront her imperfections. The concept of fear of the Lord is explored, distinguishing it from a fearful approach to God, with Dr. Lilles stressing the need to acknowledge one’s limitations, surrender to God, and trust in His mercy.

The transformative nature of prayer is also highlighted, acknowledging that engaging in prayer may initially disrupt one’s life. However, through prayer, individuals come to realize their dependence on God and His guidance through struggles. The potential fear of God asking individuals to do challenging things is discussed, with an emphasis on trust in His intentions for spiritual growth.


St. Teresa of Avila Interior Castle Podcast Anthony Lilles Kris McGregor

“After those four days, during which I was insensible, so great was my distress, that our Lord alone knoweth the intolerable sufferings I endured. My tongue was bitten to pieces; there was a choking in my throat because I had taken nothing, and because of my weakness, so that I could not swallow even a drop of water; all my bones seemed to be out of joint, and the disorder of my head was extreme. I was bent together like a coil of ropes—for to this was I brought by the torture of those days—unable to move either arm, or foot, or hand, or head, any more than if I had been dead, unless others moved me; I could move, however, I think, one finger of my right hand. Then, as to touching me, that was impossible, for I was so bruised that I could not endure it. They used to move me in a sheet, one holding one end, and another the other. This lasted till Palm Sunday.

The only comfort I had was this—if no one came near me, my pains frequently ceased; and then, because I had a little rest, I considered myself well, for I was afraid my patience would fail: and thus I was exceedingly happy when I saw myself free from those pains which were so sharp and constant, though in the cold fits of an intermittent fever, which were most violent, they were still unendurable. My dislike of food was very great.

I was now so anxious to return to my monastery, that I had myself conveyed thither in the state I was in. There they received alive one whom they had waited for as dead; but her body was worse than dead: the sight of it could only give pain. It is impossible to describe my extreme weakness, for I was nothing but bones. I remained in this state, as I have already said,126 more than eight months; and was paralytic, though getting better, for about three years. I praised God when I began to crawl on my hands and knees. I bore all this with great resignation, and, if I except the beginning of my illness, with great joy; for all this was as nothing in comparison with the pains and tortures I had to bear at first. I was resigned to the will of God, even if He left me in this state for ever. My anxiety about the recovery of my health seemed to be grounded on my desire to pray in solitude, as I had been taught; for there were no means of doing so in the infirmary. I went to confession most frequently, spoke much about God, and in such a way as to edify everyone; and they all marvelled at the patience which our Lord gave me—for if it had not come from the hand 34 of His Majesty, it seemed impossible to endure so great an affliction with so great a joy.”

Excerpt from Chapter 6 from “The Life of St. Teresa of Jesus of The Order of Our Lady of Carmel”


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Anthony Lilles, S.T.D. is an associate professor and the academic dean of Saint John’s Seminary in Camarillo as well as the academic advisor for Juan Diego House of Priestly Formation for the Archdiocese of Los Angeles. For over twenty years he served the Church in Northern Colorado where he joined and eventually served as dean of the founding faculty of Saint John Vianney Theological Seminary in Denver. Through the years, clergy, seminarians, religious and lay faithful have benefited from his lectures and retreat conferences on the Carmelite Doctors of the Church and the writings of St. Elisabeth of the Trinity.


  • 0:00-4:35: Introduction and gratitude for exploring St. Teresa’s life.
  • 4:35-8:30: Discussion of St. Teresa’s novitiate experience, being considered dead for four days, and the significance of this event.
  • 8:30-11:25: St. Teresa’s severe illness, questionable medical treatment, and her recovery marked by comas and pain.
  • 11:25-15:05: Brief discussion of the nature of St. Teresa’s ailment and parallels with modern medicine.
  • 15:05-17:15: The importance of cultivating mindfulness of death and how serious illness can foster such awareness.
  • 17:15-20:25: St. Teresa’s struggle with discouragement during her recovery, fear of offending God, and the concept of fear of the Lord.
  • 20:25-23:20: Msgr. Esseff’s insight on approaching God with humility, acknowledging limitations, and trusting in God’s mercy.
  • 23:20-27:05: St. Teresa’s discouragement due to a misunderstanding of fear and failure to accept her position as a beggar before God.
  • 27:05-30:30: The transformative nature of prayer, disrupting one’s life, and realizing dependence on God through struggles.
  • 30:30-33:45: Potential fear of God asking individuals to do challenging things and the importance of trust in His intentions.
  • 33:45-37:20: Caution against the abuse of devotions, true devotion involving surrender to God’s will, and St. Teresa’s devotion to St. Joseph.
  • 37:20-40:30: St. Teresa’s upcoming journey of embracing the gift of prayer and learning from St. Joseph’s silent guidance.
  • 40:30-44:00: St. Joseph’s continued care for humanity and his role in St. Teresa’s reform, including the establishment of the first convent dedicated to him.
  • 44:00-45:38: Conclusion and summary of the overarching theme emphasizing humility, surrender, and trust in God’s mercy.

LOTR2 – Exploring the Christian Dimensions in Tolkien’s World – A Lord of the Rings Spiritual Retreat w/ Fr. Timothy Gallagher – Discerning Hearts Podcast

Exploring the Christian Dimensions in Tolkien’s World – A Lord of the Rings Spiritual Retreat w/ Fr. Timothy Gallagher – Discerning Hearts Podcast

BA6 - "Refuse to Accept Discouragement" - Begin Again: The Spiritual Legacy of Ven. Bruno Lanteri with Fr. Timothy Gallagher In this episode, host Kris McGregor engages in a profound dialogue with Father Timothy Gallagher about the Christian underpinnings in J.R.R. Tolkien’s “The Lord of the Rings.” Father Gallagher delves into the non-allegorical but deeply Christian and Catholic elements of Tolkien’s masterpiece. He clarifies that while “The Lord of the Rings” is set in a pre-Christian era and does not explicitly reference Christianity, its truth and values are significantly shaped by Tolkien’s Christian worldview.

The conversation highlights the intentional absence of allegory in Tolkien’s writing, his preference for history (real or feigned), and the varied applicability of his stories to the reader’s experience. Father Gallagher emphasizes the deep impact of the narrative’s characters, their struggles, and the underlying thread of providence, drawing parallels to real-life challenges and choices. Kris and Father Gallagher explore the compelling nature of Tolkien’s writing and the profound way it speaks to the human heart, offering insights for those embarking on the spiritual journey through Middle-earth. This episode offers a unique perspective on how Tolkien’s faith subtly yet powerfully influenced one of the most beloved stories in literature.

He paused, and then said slowly in a deep voice: ‘This is the Master-ring, the One Ring to rule them all. This is the One Ring that he lost many ages ago, to the great weakening of his power. He greatly desires it – but he must not get it.’

Frodo sat silent and motionless. Fear seemed to stretch out a vast hand, like a dark cloud rising in the East and looming up to engulf him. ‘This ring!’ he stammered. ‘How, how on earth did it come to me?’

Tolkien, J.R.R.. The Fellowship of the Ring: Being the First Part of The Lord of the Rings (pp. 50-51). Houghton Mifflin Harcourt. Kindle Edition.

‘There was more than one power at work, Frodo. The Ring was trying to get back to its master. It had slipped from Isildur’s hand and betrayed him; then when a chance came it caught poor Déagol, and he was murdered; and after that Gollum, and it had devoured him. It could make no further use of him: he was too small and mean; and as long as it stayed with him he would never leave his deep pool again. So now, when its master was awake once more and sending out his dark thought from Mirkwood, it abandoned Gollum. Only to be picked up by the most unlikely person imaginable: Bilbo from the Shire!

‘Behind that there was something else at work, beyond any design of the Ring-maker. I can put it no plainer than by saying that Bilbo was meant to find the Ring, and not by its maker. In which case you also were meant to have it. And that may be an encouraging thought.’ ‘

It is not,’ said Frodo. ‘Though I am not sure that I understand you. But how have you learned all this about the Ring, and about Gollum? Do you really know it all, or are you just guessing still?’

Tolkien, J.R.R.. The Fellowship of the Ring: Being the First Part of The Lord of the Rings (pp. 55-56). Houghton Mifflin Harcourt. Kindle Edition.

Father Timothy M. Gallagher, O.M.V., was ordained in 1979 as a member of the Oblates of the Virgin Mary, a religious community dedicated to retreats and spiritual formation according to the Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius. Fr. Gallagher is featured on the EWTN series “Living the Discerning Life: The Spiritual Teachings of St. Ignatius of Loyola”.

For more information on how to obtain copies of Fr. Gallaghers’s various books and audio which are available for purchase, please visit his website: frtimothygallagher.org

For the other episodes in this series check out Fr. Timothy Gallagher’s “Discerning Hearts” page


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  • 00:00 – 01:05: Introduction by Kris McGregor about the collaboration with the Oblates of the Virgin Mary for a “Lord of the Rings” spiritual retreat featuring Father Timothy Gallagher.
  • 01:05 – 02:17: Father Gallagher expresses his pleasure in joining the podcast and starts discussing the Christian aspects of “The Lord of the Rings,” including J.R.R. Tolkien’s intentions and background.
  • 02:17 – 03:21: Detailed exploration of Tolkien’s views on allegory and literature, emphasizing his preference for storytelling that engages and moves readers without direct allegorical intent.
  • 03:21 – 04:17: Further discussion on allegory in literature, with examples from other authors and a distinction between allegory and Tolkien’s approach.
  • 04:17 – 05:14: Examination of Tolkien’s dislike for allegory and his preference for history and varied applicability in storytelling.
  • 05:14 – 06:37: Insight into Tolkien’s intention for “The Lord of the Rings,” focusing on its rich applicability rather than allegorical interpretation.
  • 06:37 – 07:02: Kris McGregor highlights Tolkien’s skill in creating full, relatable characters, with Father Gallagher agreeing and elaborating on Tolkien’s writing process.
  • 07:02 – 07:29: Discussion on the depth and believability of Tolkien’s storytelling and its alignment with Christian faith.
  • 07:29 – 08:31: Father Gallagher delves into Tolkien’s concept of sub-creation and the creation of a believable literary world.
  • 08:31 – 10:06: Discussion on the realistic and richly detailed world of Middle-earth, created by Tolkien, and its impact on readers.
  • 10:06 – 11:05: Kris McGregor reflects on the intimidating but ultimately engaging and immersive nature of Tolkien’s writing.
  • 11:05 – 12:06: Father Gallagher speaks on Tolkien’s deep love for language and how it led to the creation of the Elvish languages and subsequently Middle-earth.
  • 12:06 – 13:09: Exploration of the dense linguistic and historical aspects of Tolkien’s world, contributing to its immersive quality.
  • 13:09 – 14:07: Father Gallagher discusses the comprehensive and detailed nature of Middle-earth’s creation and Tolkien’s meticulous writing process.
  • 16:40 – 17:37: Further discussion on the significance of words in Tolkien’s narrative and the compelling nature of his characters.
  • 17:37 – 18:50: Analysis of the relatability and truthfulness of Tolkien’s characters in relation to real-life experiences.
  • 18:50 – 19:46: Father Gallagher touches on the challenges and responsibilities faced by characters in the story and their relevance to real life.
  • 19:46 – 21:01: Discussion on the perceived length of “The Lord of the Rings” and its engrossing nature, with Tolkien’s own reflections.
  • 21:01 – 21:30: Kris McGregor brings up the character of Frodo and asks Father Gallagher to elaborate on his significance.
  • 21:30 – 22:51: Father Gallagher examines Frodo’s journey, his initial reluctance, and the realization of his pivotal role in the story.
  • 22:51 – 24:04: A detailed look at the moment Frodo becomes aware of the Ring’s significance and its impact on his life.
  • 24:04 – 25:40: Exploration of the theme of providence in Tolkien’s story and its parallels to Biblical and real-life experiences.
  • 25:40 – 26:36: Further insights into the theme of providence and its manifestation in the narrative, with examples of seemingly chance encounters.
  • 26:36 – 27:42: Discussion on the history of the One Ring and its journey to Frodo, highlighting the role of providence.
  • 27:42 – 28:51: Analysis of the role of providence in Tolkien’s world, particularly in the development of the story’s critical events.
  • 28:51 – 29:59: Father Gallagher discusses the invisible yet powerful presence of providence throughout “The Lord of the Rings.”
  • 29:59 – 31:02: Examination of various ‘chance’ encounters in the story that significantly shape the narrative, illustrating providence at work.
  • 31:02 – 32:15: More examples of providence in the story, with a focus

BKL-OLG – Our Lady of Guadalupe with Msgr. John Esseff Discerning Hearts Podcast

First Reading RV 11:19A; 12:1-6A, 10AB

God’s temple in heaven was opened,
and the ark of his covenant could be seen in the temple.

A great sign appeared in the sky, a woman clothed with the sun,
with the moon under her feet,
and on her head a crown of twelve stars.
She was with child and wailed aloud in pain as she labored to give birth.
Then another sign appeared in the sky;
it was a huge red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns,
and on its heads were seven diadems.
Its tail swept away a third of the stars in the sky
and hurled them down to the earth.
Then the dragon stood before the woman about to give birth,
to devour her child when she gave birth.
She gave birth to a son, a male child,
destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod.
Her child was caught up to God and his throne.
The woman herself fled into the desert
where she had a place prepared by God.

Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
“Now have salvation and power come,
and the Kingdom of our God
and the authority of his Anointed.”

From the Office of Readings:

From a report by Don Antonio Valeriano, a Native American author of the sixteenth century
(Nicon Mopohua, 12th ed., 3-9, 21)

The Voice of the Turtledove has been heard in our land

At daybreak one Saturday morning in 1531, on the very first days of the month of December, an Indian named Juan Diego was going from the village where he lived to Tlatelolco in order to take part in divine worship and listen to God’s commandments. When he came near the hill called Tepeyac, dawn had already come, and Juan Diego heard someone calling him from the very top of the hill: “Juanito, Juan Dieguito.”

He went up the hill and caught sight of a lady of unearthly grandeur whose clothing was as radiant as the sun. She said to him in words both gentle and courteous: “Juanito, the humblest of my children, know and understand that I am the ever virgin Mary, Mother of the true God through whom all things live. It is my ardent desire that a church be erected here so that in it I can show and bestow my love, compassion, help, and protection to all who inhabit this land and to those others who love me, that they might call upon and confide in me. Go to the Bishop of Mexico to make known to him what I greatly desire. Go and put all your efforts into this.”

When Juan Diego arrived in the presence of the Bishop, Fray Juan de Zumarraga, a Franciscan, the latter did not seem to believe Juan Diego and answered: “Come another time, and I will listen at leisure.”

Juan Diego returned to the hilltop where the Heavenly Lady was waiting, and he said to her: “My Lady, my maiden, I presented your message to the Bishop, but it seemed that he did not think it was the truth. For this reason I beg you to entrust your message to someone more illustrious who might convey it in order that they may believe it, for I am only an insignificant man.”

She answered him: “Humblest of my sons, I ask that tomorrow you again go to see the Bishop and tell him that I, the ever virgin holy Mary, Mother of God, am the one who personally sent you.”

But on the following day, Sunday, the Bishop again did not believe Juan Diego and told him that some sign was necessary so that he could believe that it was the Heavenly Lady herself who sent him. And then he dismissed Juan Diego.

On Monday Juan Diego did not return. His uncle, Juan Bernardino, became very ill, and at night asked Juan to go to Tlatelolco at daybreak to call a priest to hear his confession.

Juan Diego set out on Tuesday, but he went around the hill and passed on the other side, toward the east, so as to arrive quickly in Mexico City and to avoid being detained by the Heavenly Lady. But she came out to meet him on that side of the hill and said to him: “Listen and understand, my humblest son. There is nothing to frighten and distress you. Do not let your heart be troubled, and let nothing upset you. Is it not I, your Mother, who is here? Are you not under my protection? Are you not, fortunately, in my care? Do not let your uncle’s illness distress you. It is certain that he has already been cured. Go up to the hilltop, my son, where you will find flowers of various kinds. Cut them, and bring them into my presence.”

When Juan Diego reached the peak, he was astonished that so many Castilian roses had burst forth at a time when the frost was severe. He carried the roses in the folds of his tilma (mantle) to the Heavenly Lady. She said to him: “My son, this is the proof and the sign which you will bring to the Bishop so that he will see my will in it. You are my ambassador, very worthy of trust.”

Juan Diego set out on his way, now content and sure of succeeding. On arriving in the Bishop’s presence, he told him: “My lord, I did what you asked. The Heavenly Lady complied with your request and fulfilled it. She sent me to the hilltop to cut some Castilian roses and told me to bring them to you in person. And this I am doing, so that you can see in them the sign you seek in order to carry out her will. Here they are; receive them.”

He immediately opened up his white mantle, and as all the different Castilian roses scattered to the ground, there was drawn on the cloak and suddenly appeared the precious image of the ever virgin Mary, Mother of God, in the same manner as it is today and is kept in her shrine of Tepeyac.

The whole city was stirred and came to see and admire her venerable image and to offer prayers to her; and following the command which the same Heavenly Lady gave to Juan Bernardino when she restored him to health, they called her by the name that she herself had used: “the ever virgin holy Mary of Guadalupe.”