IP#488 Anthony DeStefano – 30 Days to Your New Life on Inside the Pages with Kris McGregor – Discerning Hearts Podcast


Anthony DeStefano – 30 Days to Your New Life on Inside the Pages with Kris McGregor

In this episode of Inside the Pages, Kris McGregor interviews Anthony DeStefano about his book 30 Days to Your New Life: A Guide to Transforming Yourself from Head to Soul. Anthony DeStefano outlines how the book blends self-help strategies with Christian principles, aiming to provide a balanced approach to personal transformation. While secular self-help programs can be beneficial, they often fall short because they focus too much on self-reliance and neglect spiritual aspects.

This book guides readers through daily reflections over 30 days, starting with fundamental routines like tidying up and building momentum through small actions. This approach is meant to ease readers into lasting habits that foster both physical and spiritual well-being. The book moves through various levels of personal development, incorporating ideas like redemptive suffering and grounding one’s routines in faith practices. By combining spiritual disciplines with practical life skills, he aims to help readers face life’s challenges more resiliently, emphasizing that true peace and fulfillment require both effort and reliance on God’s grace.


Discerning Hearts Reflection Questions

  1. Importance of God’s Role in Self-Improvement: How can you incorporate God’s guidance into your daily routines and personal development goals?
  2. Balance of Prayer and Action: In what ways can you ensure both prayer and practical action are present in your approach to life’s challenges?
  3. Personal Momentum in Faith: What small, consistent actions can you take to build spiritual and physical momentum toward positive change?
  4. The Role of Suffering: How can you offer up your suffering and unite it with Christ’s, seeing it as a form of redemptive prayer?
  5. Daily Prioritization of God: How can you make your first thoughts and actions each day a reflection of putting God first?
  6. Physical and Spiritual Health Connection: What changes can you make to improve your physical health that will also positively impact your spiritual life?
  7. Order and Discipline in Daily Life: How can you create a more ordered, stable daily routine that reflects a commitment to both work and prayer?
  8. Seeing Mass as a Source of Grace: How does attending Mass help you connect to Christ’s sacrifice, and how can you better appreciate it as a source of strength?
  9. Redemptive Power of Small Actions: What small, seemingly mundane actions can you offer to God each day to grow in holiness?
  10. Sharing Faith-Based Self-Help with Others: Who in your life might benefit from an approach to self-improvement that includes spiritual principles, and how can you share it with them?

You can find the book here.

From the book description:

“Happiness. Everyone wants it, but not everyone has it–or knows how to get it. According to a recent Harris poll, only 1 in 3 Americans describes himself as happy. Researchers have dubbed this the “most stressed” of all generations, despite its economic prosperity and technological advances. Anthony DeStefano, bestselling author of A Travel Guide to Heaven and Ten Prayers God Always Says Yes To, addresses this problem head-on in his freshly rewritten book, 30 Days to Your New Life, by striving to bring the joy of Heaven down to Earth right now.

Many self-help books explore the subject of happiness, but one important ingredient always seems to be missing: God. In this no-nonsense, refreshingly direct book, DeStefano bridges the gap between personal development programs and Christian/Catholic spirituality. The result is a wake-up call to readers; an outcome-based motivational guide to living life to its fullest–and holiest. DeStefano’s practical, pull-no-punches, approach to popular theology has been described as “Tony Robbins meets Thomas Aquinas.”

With candor and simplicity, DeStefano presents an easy-to-follow framework for attaining lifelong peace and fulfillment, as well as (more importantly) eternal happiness in Heaven. The path proposed by DeStefano encourages consistent, purposeful and prayerful action on the part of the reader, and offers genuine hope to everyone, from ambivalent agnostics to engaged evangelicals to the most fervent of Catholics.

This is a book about getting results, about breaking out of self-delusion and taking small, practical steps to transform your life from head to soul. The author believes that as more and more people today struggle with depression and loneliness, self-help programs need to be less about “self-help” and more about “God’s help.” God, after all, is the Author of life. He knows what will make us happy–and what won’t.

DeStefano utilizes the best personal development tools available, but balances and corrects them with Bible-based, faith-filled, time-tested, sacramental, Catholic principles. No matter how terrible your circumstances may be or how many times you’ve failed to achieve your goals in the past, this book will work for you.”


About the Author: Anthony DeStefano is the bestselling author of over twenty-five Christian books for adults and children. His books have been published in eighteen different countries and twelve different languages and have been endorsed by The National Day of Prayer committee as well as many prominent religious leaders and mainstream celebrities. He has appeared on the 700 Club, Fox and Friends, CNN, Huckabee, and hundreds of other national and local media shows. He has also been the host of two television series on Eternal Word Television Network (EWTN), as well as a frequent guest on that network. A Knight of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, Anthony is an avid pilot and lives in New Jersey with his wife, Jordan.

IP#338 – Julia Marie Hogan – It’s OK To Start With You on Inside the Pages with Kris McGregor – Discerning Hearts Podcast

Julia Marie Hogan – It’s OK To Start With You on Inside the Pages with Kris McGregor

Julia Marie Hogan Podcast

Kris McGregor speaks with Julia Marie Hogan, a licensed clinical professional counselor, about her book It’s Okay to Start with You, which encourages readers to prioritize their well-being so they can fully participate in God’s calling for their lives. Hogan uses the metaphor of the airplane oxygen mask, emphasizing that taking care of oneself is essential before helping others, a principle rooted in understanding God’s love and seeing self-care as a discipline rather than an indulgence.

Critiquing superficial self-care trends and explores deeper self-care that incorporates mental, emotional, physical, and spiritual aspects; she explains that authentic self-care is about maintaining a balanced life through practices like sleep, nutrition, and stress management. This is especially important in a society that values busyness, which can lead to burnout and detachment from self-awareness.

The book offers a structured approach, including reflection and discussion questions, making it versatile for individual or group settings. Self-care is a continual process of recalibration based on life’s seasons. For example, a person going through grief may focus on simple actions like sleep, nourishment, and prayer to help process their emotions. The book’s action plans encourage small, achievable goals, tailored to different aspects of self-care, helping readers gradually build sustainable habits.

You can find the book here.


Discerning Hearts Reflection Questions

  1. Understanding Self-Care as a Discipline: How can you reframe self-care in your life as a necessary discipline rather than an act of indulgence?
  2. Embracing God’s Love Through Self-Care: In what ways can recognizing God’s love for you inspire a more authentic approach to caring for yourself?
  3. Identifying Inner Criticism: What negative messages do you frequently tell yourself, and how can you begin to replace them with the truth of your worth in God’s eyes?
  4. Balancing Service with Self-Care: How can you ensure that taking care of yourself strengthens rather than detracts from your ability to serve others?
  5. Assessing Your Current Season of Life: What specific self-care practices are most essential for you in this season of life, given your current responsibilities and challenges?
  6. Exploring the Role of Leisure: How can you incorporate leisure activities into your routine that truly restore you rather than simply distract you?
  7. Cultivating Self-Compassion: How can understanding self-care as part of your spiritual journey help you to be gentler with yourself when you face challenges or shortcomings?
  8. Revisiting Self-Care Practices Regularly: How might regular self-assessments help you adjust your self-care practices to better reflect changes in your life and spiritual needs?
  9. Self-Care as Preparation for God’s Call: In what ways can caring for your mental, emotional, and physical health make you more open and responsive to God’s guidance?
  10. Encouraging Self-Care in Others: How can you support and encourage those around you, especially family and friends, to embrace self-care as a reflection of their God-given dignity?

It's OK to Start With You Julia Marie Hogan

From the book description:

“Self-care is often misunderstood in our society. Far too many of us dismiss it as selfish pampering, and the results can be devastating for our physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual health. Real self-care is anything but self-indulgent. It’s an essential discipline, rooted in the reality of who we are as God’s beloved children.

In It’s OK to Start with You, therapist Julia Marie Hogan, LCPC, makes the case for making self-care a priority beginning with reclaiming your own worth. Based on her practice as a therapist, she offers deep insights into the reasons why we neglect to take care of ourselves and provides needed tools to change our habits of thinking and acting so we can show up fully in our lives and relationships. With step-by-step instructions for building a tailored self-care plan, reflection questions, and note-taking space, this book is the ultimate guide to becoming the most authentic version of yourself.”

About the Author

Julia Marie Hogan is a Licensed Clinical Professional Counselor in Chicago. In addition to her work as a psychotherapist, she leads workshops and writes on topics related to self-care, relationships, and mental health. She is passionate about empowering individuals to be their most authentic selves. You can find more of her writing online at Verily. She completed her Master’s in Clinical Psychology at the Institute for the Psychological Sciences in Arlington, Virginia.

IP#306 Fr. Donald Calloway, MIC – Champions of the Rosary on Inside the Pages with Kris McGregor – Discerning Hearts Podcast



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Fr. Donald Calloway, MIC – Champions of the Rosary on Inside the Pages with Kris McGregor

In this episode of Inside the Pages, Fr. Donald Calloway joins Kris McGregor to discuss his book, Champions of the Rosary. The conversation highlights Fr. Calloway’s profound love for the rosary and his goal to create a comprehensive resource covering its origins, significance, and the lives of those who championed its devotion. He describes the book as a blend of history, devotion, and art, aimed at deepening readers’ understanding of the rosary as both a spiritual tool and weapon.

Fr. Calloway recounts the rosary’s development from the earliest Church days, through the influence of St. Dominic, to modern times. He emphasizes the rosary’s historical role in countering heresies, promoting the faith, and strengthening individuals during turbulent times. The book includes stories of lesser-known but extraordinary saints and modern champions like Mother Teresa and St. John Paul II, who used the rosary in their ministries and devotions.

Throughout the episode, Fr. Calloway underscores the rosary’s power as a spiritual weapon and encourages listeners to persevere in praying it, even when it feels repetitive or challenging. He advocates for prayer groups and confraternities, stressing the strength found in communal prayer. Fr. Calloway’s closing message is an invitation for listeners to take up the rosary as a path to spiritual growth, peace, and a means of joining a legacy of holy champions throughout Church history.

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You can purchase a copy of the book here.


Discerning Hearts Reflection Questions

  1. The Rosary’s Historical Importance: How does learning about the history of the rosary enhance your appreciation and understanding of this devotion in the Church?
  2. Personal Devotion to the Rosary: What role does the rosary currently play in your own prayer life, and how might you incorporate it more consistently?
  3. Saintly Champions as Role Models: Which saint’s story mentioned in this episode resonates with you the most, and how can their example inspire your own faith journey?
  4. Overcoming Distractions in Prayer: How can you work to persevere in praying the rosary, even when distractions arise or when it feels challenging?
  5. The Rosary as a Spiritual Weapon: In what ways can you see the rosary helping you confront personal struggles, fears, or areas needing growth in your life?
  6. The Power of Communal Prayer: How can joining a group or community of rosary prayer support you in deepening your devotion and strengthening your faith?
  7. Evangelization Through New Media: Reflect on how you might use modern tools, such as social media, to share the power and significance of the rosary with others.
  8. Mary as Guide to Christ: How does viewing the rosary as holding Mary’s hand to walk closer to Jesus shape your perspective on this devotion?
  9. Incorporating the Rosary in Daily Life: What practical steps can you take to make the rosary a more regular part of your daily routine, regardless of your current schedule?
  10. Responding to Spiritual Challenges: How can the rosary help ground you in faith amid the societal and cultural issues facing the world today?

“Champions of the Rosary is an encyclopedic and inspiring work on the rosary, the spiritual weapon that has been given to the Church. In a remarkable way, it presents the fascinating saga of the birth and development of the devotion so linked to the Dominican Order! This is a wonderful tool for better understanding the rosary, promoting its use, and championing it in our troubled world. I am certain that these pages will inspire us all to take up our rosary!” Fr. Louis-Marie Arino-Durand, OP. Promotor Generalis pro Rosario. Rome, Italy

“Champions of the Rosary is an extremely insightful, pious, and scholarly work on the rosary. Father Calloway’s insights and contributions into the history and heroes of the rosary will not go unnoticed or unappreciated.” — His Eminence Christoph Maria Cardinal Schonborn, OP, STD Archbishop of Vienna, Austria

IP#331 Fr. John Horgan – His Angels At Our Side on Inside the Pages with Kris McGregor – Discerning Hearts Podcast

Fr. John Horgan – His Angels At Our Side on Inside the Pages with Kris McGregor

In this special episode of Inside the Pages, Kris McGregor interviews the late Fr. John Horgan about his book His Angels at Our Side: Understanding Their Power in Our Souls and in the World. Focusing on the role of angels in the spiritual life, Fr. Horgan explains how they guide, protect, and inspire us.

It’s important for us to understand angels as spiritual beings who reflect the majesty of God rather than projecting our human traits onto them. Fr. Horgan discusses the relationship between humans and their guardian angels, noting that these angels are given by God to guide and protect every soul, not just the baptized. He advises against naming angels, as their names and missions come directly from God.

Angels are models of prayer and adoration, constantly gazing upon God. They can teach us how to deepen our relationship with God, especially through prayer, obedience, and silence. While angels don’t usually communicate with us through mystical experiences, they offer daily guidance and inspiration; encouraging a spirit of openness to the guardian angel’s influence through prayer and attentiveness to their subtle promptings.

They also cover the role of angels in the Mass, where they worship alongside us, and how we can invite them into our prayer life, especially during the Eucharistic Prayer. Fr. Horgan explains that angels help us align our wills with God’s and overcome temptations, and reflects on the angels’ relationship with the Blessed Virgin Mary and their role in leading us closer to her and her perfect acceptance of God’s will.

You can find the book here.


Discerning Hearts Reflection Questions

  1. Understanding the Nature of Angels
    How does reflecting on the nature of angels as reflections of God’s majesty help you deepen your understanding of their role in your life?
  2. Adoration and Prayer
    In what ways can the angels’ perfect adoration of God inspire you to include more acts of adoration in your own prayer life?
  3. Relationship with Guardian Angels
    How can you cultivate a more conscious relationship with your guardian angel to better respond to their guidance and protection?
  4. Obedience and God’s Will
    What can the obedience of angels teach you about accepting God’s will in your daily life, even when it challenges your own desires?
  5. Role of Angels in the Mass
    How does considering the presence of angels during Mass change your approach to the liturgy and deepen your reverence for the Eucharistic celebration?
  6. Silence and Spiritual Growth
    How can the silence that angels lead you into help you create more space for God in your heart amid the noise of the world?
  7. The Battle Against Evil
    What steps can you take to better recognize the influence of evil in your life and rely more on the guidance of the angels in resisting temptation?
  8. Angels and the Blessed Virgin Mary
    How does reflecting on the angels’ relationship with Mary inspire you to model her obedience and openness to God’s plan?
  9. Angelic Assistance in Daily Life
    What are some practical ways you can invite your guardian angel to assist you in your interactions with others and in your daily tasks?
  10. Angels in the Spiritual Journey
    How can a deeper understanding of the angels’ mission enhance your spiritual growth and help you in your journey toward heaven?

From the book description

Meet the mighty spirits sent by God to enlighten and guide us, defend us from harm, and lead us on the path to eternal life. Learn how angels are invisibly present at every moment of your life, and how they can pray with you and for you, amplifying your praise by reflecting it directly to God face-to-face.

Angels do not form a separate universe they are an integral part of our own world sent forth for the sake of our salvation. They are pure spirits who communicate to us God’s grace, His goodness, and His truth.

In these pages, Fr. Horgan unveils the surprising role of the angels in our lives and what you must do to gain their help. You’ll learn how to imitate the angels in prayer and how they offer you the enlightenment and the encouragement God so desperately wants to give you. By praying with the angels, you will be strengthened for what lies ahead, better able to discern and do the Lord’s will in all your actions. You ll also learn:

  • Why the Church teaches that the angels were created at the time of creation
  • The responsibilities of the angels at every Mass
  • The key difference between spirits and angels
  • Seven habits you must develop to grow closer to God through His angels
  • The difference between Archangel Gabriel’s apparitions to Mary and Zechariah
  • How St. Joseph can expose you to the inspirations of the angels
  • The difference in the way humans and angels think
  • How you can imitate the warrior nature of the angels
  • The three ways you must respond to your angel’s guardianship
  • The five roles that every angel takes in their service for the Lord
  • The surprising ways in which angelic warfare is carried out

About the Author

Father John G. Horgan was a priest of the Archdiocese of Vancouver in British Columbia, Canada, and the pastor of St Pius X Parish. A native of Cambridge, Massachusetts, he graduated from Harvard, as well as the Angelicum in Rome, before being ordained by St. John Paul II in 1986. He lectured and consulted on questions of moral theology and healthcare ethics in Canada and the United States. Fr. Horgan had a life-long interest in the Angels and Saints and was credentialed through the Vatican’s special training course for those involved in the process of “saint-making” in 1997. He served as a vice-postulator for the cause of Blessed Marie of Jesus Deluil-Martiny and has advised on several other causes. Fr. Horgan was involved with EWTN, the Eternal Word Global Television Network, since the early 1990s; he made several appearances with Mother Angelica, and has filmed two television series. He entered into eternal rest in October of 2022.

IP#481 – Anthony Ryan – Saint Thérèse of Lisieux by Fr. Didier-Marie Golay on Inside the Pages with Kris McGregor – Discerning Hearts Podcast



Anthony Ryan – Saint Thérèse of Lisieux by Fr. Didier-Marie Golay on Inside the Pages with Kris McGregor

Kris McGregor and Anthony Ryan discuss the book St. Thérèse of Lisieux: Living on Love, an extraordinary compilation about St. Thérèse of Lisieux’s life and spirituality. Published by Ignatius Press, this book includes over 150 stunning photos and artworks, combined with deep insights into St. Thérèse’s life, family, and spirituality.

The book, created by Fr. Didier-Marie Golay, a Carmelite priest, offers a comprehensive exploration of not only St. Thérèse but also her family’s crucial role in shaping her spirituality. The Martín family—her parents, siblings, and extended relatives—are portrayed as a deeply Catholic family whose love and faith formed the foundation for Thérèse’s famous “little way.”

Providing an immersive experience, it offers readers insight into the struggles and sufferings of the Martín family, including the loss of four children and the challenges faced by Thérèse’s sister Léonie, who struggled with behavioral and health issues, possibly on the autism spectrum. Despite these hardships, the family’s devotion to faith, love, and service to others became central to St. Thérèse’s formation.

It’s a perfect gift for anyone seeking to deepen their faith and learn from St. Thérèse’s life of love and prayer!


Discerning Hearts Reflection Questions

  1. Embracing the Little Way
    How can I follow St. Thérèse’s “Little Way” by offering small, everyday acts of love to God?
  2. Offering Sacrificial Love
    Am I willing to endure personal discomfort or inconvenience to show love to others as an offering to God?
  3. Living with Humility
    Do I recognize and accept my limitations while trusting in God’s greatness to work through my humble efforts?
  4. The Power of Prayer
    How can I strengthen my prayer life and trust in the intercession of the saints, especially St. Thérèse?
  5. Childlike Trust in God
    Do I cultivate a childlike trust in God’s providence, allowing Him to guide my decisions and bring peace to my heart?

From the book description:

“Thérèse of Lisieux is one of the most popular modern saints in the world, but the details of her life and spirituality are still not widely known and are somewhat of a mystery even to her devoted followers.

With over 150 stunning photographs, in-depth text, and plentiful sidebars on history, geography, and themes, this gorgeous work helps us enter into the universe of “the greatest saint of modern times” to discover the simplicity, yet depth of her daily life and of her relationships, both human and spiritual.

It invites us to a personal encounter with Thérèse, who once wrote, “I am your sister, your friend; I will always watch over you.” It invites us also to discover her appealing and rich spirituality of “the little way”. Patroness of missions, Doctor of the Church, this Carmelite sister, who died at only twenty-four, has not ceased to surprise us and to spread her powerful message of love and trust across the world.

Her whole life of can be encapsulated in her poem “Living on Love”: a passionate love of Christ lived out in the everyday, in the joys and trials of life, in inner and outer sufferings. Living on love is a spiritual program for life, but to live it requires a special grace for which we must ask, especially through the intercession of the “Little Flower” of Jesus. This unique, very beautiful and moving work will inspire readers to desire to imitate St. Thérèse in “living on love”.”

IP#489 Fr. Christopher Collins S.J. – Habits of Freedom on Inside the Pages with Kris McGregor – Discerning Hearts Podcast


Fr. Christopher Collins S.J. – Habits of Freedom on Inside the Pages with Kris McGregor

Fr. Christopher Collins discusses his book “Habits of Freedom” with Kris McGregor, focusing on how Ignatian spirituality can be applied to daily life. Fr. Collins outlines five key practices from St. Ignatius’ teachings that help individuals clear their minds and find rest in the Lord. He highlights the importance of recognizing and responding to the movements of both the Holy Spirit and the evil spirit in daily life.

Fr. Collins explains that the Ignatian rules for discernment are not just for retreats but are meant for everyday living, guiding people to discern the subtle movements within their hearts. The discernment of spirits involves understanding whether our thoughts and feelings are from God, from our own psychology, or from the evil spirit. This understanding helps us live more freely and with authentic love.

He also addresses the significance of the examen prayer, a daily practice that involves reflecting on one’s day to recognize moments of grace and areas needing growth. This practice encourages remembering one’s true identity as a beloved child of God, fostering a deep sense of freedom and peace.


Discerning Hearts Reflection Questions

  1. Daily Discernment Practice: How can I incorporate the Ignatian practice of daily discernment into my routine to better recognize the movements of the Holy Spirit and the evil spirit in my life?
  2. Identity in Christ: In what ways do I struggle to remember and accept my identity as a beloved child of God?
  3. Responding to Disruptions: How do I typically respond to disruptions in my life, and how can I be more open to seeing these as opportunities for spiritual growth?
  4. Dialogue Over Monologue: Are there areas in my life where I am stuck in negative self-talk, and how can I bring these thoughts into the light through dialogue with God or others?
  5. Examen Prayer Integration: Can I set aside a specific time each day to practice the examen prayer, reflecting on the day’s events and my responses to them?
  6. Rejecting Lies: What are some of the lies I tend to believe about myself, and how can I replace them with the truth of God’s love and purpose for me?
  7. Spiritual Companionship: Who in my life can I trust to share my spiritual journey with, helping me to see God’s work more clearly and avoid isolation?
  8. Living Out Freedom: How can I actively practice authentic freedom in my daily interactions, choosing love and generosity over self-centeredness?
  9. Balancing Action and Contemplation: How can I find a balance between active engagement in the world and taking time for quiet reflection and prayer?
  10. Revisiting Baptismal Promises: How often do I reflect on my baptismal identity and the unconditional love of God proclaimed over me in that sacrament?

You can purchase a copy of the book here.

From the book’s description:

“Popular retreat leader and spiritual director Fr. Christopher Collins, SJ, says that if you turn your heart to God you will find clarity and spiritual peace. In Habits of Freedom, Collins offers you five practical tools to help you develop a habit of daily discernment that will lead to inner calm.

Drawing on the wisdom of St. Ignatius Loyola and his renowned Spiritual Exercises, Collins offers practical spiritual exercises for incorporating five tools into your daily life to help you de-stress, organize your thoughts, and experience the calming presence of Jesus. These are:

  • allowing God to show you the signs of oncoming anxiety and mental breakdown;
  • developing the ancient practice of spiritual discernment to help analyze your moods and perceptions;
  • interpreting life events with an eye toward personal growth and resiliency;
  • practicing detachment from negative influences; and
  • engaging in interior sensitivity to how God works to bring you peace.

Habits of Freedom is an excellent resource for spiritual directors and individuals, as well as for use in prayer and parish groups seeking practical material that can speak broadly to members from a variety of backgrounds and seasons of life. The book can be easily adapted for small groups and retreat use.”


About the Author

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IP#484 Fr. Aaron Wessman – The Church’s Mission in a Polarized World, Part 2 on Inside the Pages with Kris McGregor – Discerning Hearts Podcast


Fr. Aaron Wessman – The Church’s Mission in a Polarized World, Part 2 on Inside the Pages with Kris McGregor

In Part 2 of a 2-part conversation, Fr. Aaron Wessman and Kris McGregor discusses the challenges of living a Christian life in a polarized world, particularly the influence of social media and group dynamics. They explore how societal divisions amplify an “us versus them” mentality, which can distort one’s ability to live out Gospel values such as unity and love.

Fr. Wessman points out that while the church’s mission is to unite humanity with God and among themselves, current political and social climates often encourage division. The concept of “negative polarization,” where people are driven more by opposition to the other party rather than support for their own, is identified as a significant challenge. Politicians can manipulate this by stoking anger, leading Christians away from Gospel values like peace, patience, and kindness.

There is an importance of personal responsibility in bridging divides. The church’s mission, exemplified by figures like Jesus and St. Francis, involves crossing over to the “other” and engaging with people on the margins of society—whether they are of different races, cultures, or political views—rather than isolating oneself in a comfortable bubble. Advocating for “missional discipleship,” where Christians are called to be sent out into the world to engage with others in love, not to be conformed by the divisions in the world.

Fr. Wessman discusses the necessity of engaging with others humbly and courageously while being anchored in the Eucharist. He highlights that Christians are not called to withdraw from the world but to confront challenges by discerning the Spirit’s lead and engaging in “ministries of presence.” The Eucharist strengthens this mission, empowering Christians to be Christ’s presence to others.

They also address the need for humility and forgiveness in personal relationships, especially in areas of polarization within families, parishes, and even among fellow Catholics. Fr. Wessman encourages a culture of mercy and repentance, suggesting that real growth happens when people acknowledge mistakes, ask for forgiveness, and adjust their actions to better reflect Christ’s teachings.

You can find the book here.


Discerning Hearts Reflection Questions

  1. How does social media affect your joy and spiritual life? Reflect on whether your engagement with social media fosters peace or leads to anger and despair.
  2. Are you aware of the “us versus them” mentality in your interactions? Consider how group dynamics may be shaping your perspective and distancing you from others.
  3. Is your political engagement rooted in the Church’s teachings? Evaluate whether your political views and actions are guided by Catholic social teaching or influenced by polarization.
  4. Do you actively seek to cross over to the “other”? Reflect on how you can engage with those on the margins, following Christ’s example of crossing boundaries.
  5. Are you anchored in the Eucharist? Examine how often you return to the Eucharist to strengthen your mission and align your life with Christ’s presence.
  6. Do you recognize when to engage and when to withdraw? Reflect on the discernment needed to know when to engage others and when to retreat for prayer and renewal.
  7. How do you foster unity within the Church and community? Consider how your actions either contribute to or hinder unity among fellow Catholics and within the broader community.
  8. Do you embrace humility and forgiveness in your relationships? Think about how you handle conflicts or mistakes, and whether you seek reconciliation and forgiveness in your interactions.

From the book description:

“Christians and other people of good will are longing for a response that can lead the way out of the divisiveness and vitriol of our times. I wrote this book to provide some assistance to readers to discern a way out of the toxicity in which we live, and to stimulate courage and hope, so that all people can see the age in which we live more clearly and respond with the grace necessary to follow more fully the call God has spoken—a missionary call to deepen Christ’s incarnational movement in our world.”

-Fr. Robert Aaron Wessman


About the Author

Fr. Robert Aaron Wessman, a priest of the Roman Catholic Church, is the 1 st -Vice- President (Vicar General) and Director of Formation for the Glenmary Home Missioners. He has a PhD from the Catholic University of Louvain (Belgium) in Systematic Theology (2019). He serves as an at-large board member for the Conference of Major Superiors of Men Religious (CMSM) and is a guest lecturer at St. Meinrad Seminary and School of Theology. The religious order he belongs to, Glenmary, is a missionary society of apostolic life of the Catholic Church that conducts mission in rural, poor, and non-Catholic areas of the United States, primarily in the southeast and Appalachia. Visit glenmary.org for more information.

IP#483 Fr. Aaron Wessman – The Church’s Mission in a Polarized World, Part 1 on Inside the Pages with Kris McGregor – Discerning Hearts Podcast


Fr. Aaron Wessman – The Church’s Mission in a Polarized World, Part 1 on Inside the Pages with Kris McGregor

In Part 1 of a 2-part conversation, Fr. Aaron Wessman and Kris McGregor discuss Fr. Aaron’s book ‘The Church’s Mission in a Polarized World‘. Fr. Aaron explains how the project grew from a personal journey after returning to the U.S. from studying theology abroad. Upon his return, he noticed a worsening division in American society and within the Church, which also affected him personally. This led him to research the issue and eventually write the book, which examines how polarization impacts Christians.

Christians, particularly in the U.S., are influenced by polarized political and social dynamics. Fr. Aaron describes this “hurricane of polarization” as something that often affects how people engage with others, making it harder to follow Christ’s call to love and dialogue. With this book, he calls for Christians to step back from political hostility and gain perspective through faith, using Christ’s example of engaging even those considered enemies.

Political partisanship and the language of culture wars have entered the Church, using war-like metaphors that can distance believers from the Gospel’s true message of love and reconciliation. Fr. Aaron highlights the importance of choosing words carefully, suggesting that Christians focus on prudence and listening, aiming to understand rather than attack.

He invites Christians to prioritize their identity in Christ over political affiliations. Fr. Aaron encourages humility, dialogue, and discernment as ways to navigate an increasingly polarized world, drawing connections to historical figures like St. Francis de Sales, who responded to similar challenges with wisdom and charity.

You can find the book here.


Discerning Hearts Reflection Questions

  1. Personal Experience of Polarization: How have I seen polarization affect my own heart and interactions with others in daily life?
  2. Impact of Political Identity on Christian Life: Am I allowing my political identity to overshadow my identity as a disciple of Christ?
  3. Christ’s Call to Engage Others: In what ways can I better approach others with love and understanding, especially those I disagree with?
  4. Prudence in Engagement: How can I exercise prudence in choosing when and how to engage in conversations with others, particularly in polarized environments?
  5. Influence of Media and Social Media: Am I aware of how my media consumption, especially on social media, shapes my perspective and engagement with others?
  6. Words and Metaphors in Communication: How can I be more mindful of the words and metaphors I use in discussions, ensuring they reflect the Gospel message of reconciliation?
  7. Rooting Identity in Christ: What steps can I take to deepen my relationship with Christ so that my actions reflect His teachings in a polarized world?

From the book description:

“Christians and other people of good will are longing for a response that can lead the way out of the divisiveness and vitriol of our times. I wrote this book to provide some assistance to readers to discern a way out of the toxicity in which we live, and to stimulate courage and hope, so that all people can see the age in which we live more clearly and respond with the grace necessary to follow more fully the call God has spoken—a missionary call to deepen Christ’s incarnational movement in our world.”

-Fr. Robert Aaron Wessman


About the Author

Fr. Robert Aaron Wessman, a priest of the Roman Catholic Church, is the 1 st -Vice- President (Vicar General) and Director of Formation for the Glenmary Home Missioners. He has a PhD from the Catholic University of Louvain (Belgium) in Systematic Theology (2019). He serves as an at-large board member for the Conference of Major Superiors of Men Religious (CMSM) and is a guest lecturer at St. Meinrad Seminary and School of Theology. The religious order he belongs to, Glenmary, is a missionary society of apostolic life of the Catholic Church that conducts mission in rural, poor, and non-Catholic areas of the United States, primarily in the southeast and Appalachia. Visit glenmary.org for more information.

IP#364 Fr. John Bartunek – The Better Part: The Gospels pt. 2 – Inside the Pages with Kris McGregor – Discerning Hearts Podcast

 

Fr. John Bartunek – The Better Part: The Gospels pt. 2 on Inside the Pages with Kris McGregor

In part 2 of their conversation, Fr. John Bartunek and Kris McGregor discuss deepening one’s relationship with God through prayer, using Fr. Bartunek’s book, The Better Part, as a central resource. They explore the importance of the fourth step of prayer, “commit,” which is about renewing one’s commitment to the relationship with God after a time of prayer, much like a mother responds to her child’s needs in a relationship.

Prayer is not about seeking spiritual consolations but about faith and deepening friendship with God. Warning against using prayer merely to seek internal experiences rather than genuine contact with God, Fr. Bartunek compares some non-Christian meditation practices as potentially distracting from true prayer.

Highlighting the unique role of the Gospels as a direct encounter with Jesus, meant to be rediscovered continually with a sense of wonder, Fr. Bartunek’s work is praised for helping believers engage deeply with the Gospels, not just as sacred texts, but as an ongoing dialogue with Christ. The discussion also touches on the significance of spiritual companionship, community, and sharing one’s spiritual journey with others, as well as the necessity of a spiritual director or good spiritual friends to help navigate the challenges of prayer and spiritual growth.

You can find the set here.


Discerning Hearts Discussion Questions

  1. Commitment in Prayer: How can you actively renew your commitment to your relationship with God after each time of prayer?
  2. Seeking Consolation: Do you find yourself more focused on seeking spiritual consolations rather than deepening your friendship with God?
  3. Scripture Engagement: How do you ensure that your reading of the Gospels is a personal encounter with Christ rather than just a routine task?
  4. Overcoming Familiarity: What steps can you take to rediscover the wonder and richness of the Gospels in your daily life?
  5. Spiritual Companionship: How can you cultivate spiritual friendships or find a spiritual director to support your journey of faith?
  6. Sharing Spiritual Goods: In what ways can you share your experiences of Christ with others to enrich your community?
  7. Trust in God’s Providence: How do you remind yourself that everything in your life, even challenges, is under God’s providence and part of His plan for your growth?

From the book description:

“Every saint and renowned spiritual director through the ages has said the same thing: if we desire to become saints, we must spend time daily in meditation. With this set, Fr. John Bartunek has created an extensive, Christ-centered resource to serve as your daily meditation companion. The Better Part offers a practical explanation of Christian meditation, as well as material to draw from during your meditations, including a Bible study on the Gospels, a survey of saints writings, and a handy guide to prayer.

As you learn to read, meditate upon, absorb, and apply the Gospels to your life, you’ll also find ways to personalize your times of prayer, allowing you to follow the Holy Spirit’s lead along the path of holiness. Open these pages to discover the methods of meditation that best suit you, develop your friendship with Christ, and experience the true Christian joy of a deep, fruitful life of prayer.”

 

IP#363 Fr. John Bartunek – The Better Part: The Gospels pt. 1 – Inside the Pages with Kris McGregor – Discerning Hearts Podcast

 

Fr. John Bartunek – The Better Part: The Gospels pt. 1 on Inside the Pages with Kris McGregor

Kris McGregor and Fr. John Bartunek discuss the book series, The Better Part, which is a Christ-centered resource for personal prayer based on the Gospels. They discuss the inspiration behind the series, which originated as a directive from Fr. Bartunek’s religious order, the Legionnaires of Christ. They identified a need for a resource that would help people deepen their prayer life in the modern world.

The Better Part is designed not as a traditional scripture study, but as a tool to foster personal encounters with Christ through the Gospels. The approach is rooted in the idea that the Gospels are a place to encounter Christ and enter into dialogue with Him. The series offers a structure that guides readers through meditation on the Gospels, helping them engage in mental prayer that is personalized and unique to their own spiritual journey.

The importance of understanding Christian meditation offers a simple, yet profound, four-step process: concentrate, consider, converse, and commit. Each step is meant to help the individual enter into a deeper relationship with Christ, utilizing different aspects of the soul—will, intellect, and heart.

Fr. Bartunek also discusses the influences of various spiritual traditions, such as Ignatian, Benedictine, and Carmelite spirituality, in shaping the structure of the series.

You can find the set here.


Discerning Hearts Discussion Questions

  1. Recognizing God’s Presence: How do you cultivate an awareness of God’s presence in the ordinary moments of your daily life?
  2. Embracing Silence in Prayer: How do you intentionally create space for silence in your prayer life to listen for God’s voice?
  3. Trusting in Divine Providence: In what ways do you surrender your worries and concerns to God’s providential care?
  4. The Role of Sacraments in Spiritual Growth: How do the sacraments, particularly the Eucharist and Reconciliation, strengthen your relationship with Christ?
  5. Deepening Your Love for Scripture: How do you make Scripture a central part of your daily prayer and reflection?
  6. Practicing Gratitude: How do you express gratitude to God in your prayer, especially for the small blessings in your life?
  7. Seeking Spiritual Direction: How do you seek guidance from a spiritual director or mentor to grow in your spiritual life?

From the book description:

“Every saint and renowned spiritual director through the ages has said the same thing: if we desire to become saints, we must spend time daily in meditation. With this set, Fr. John Bartunek has created an extensive, Christ-centered resource to serve as your daily meditation companion. The Better Part offers a practical explanation of Christian meditation, as well as material to draw from during your meditations, including a Bible study on the Gospels, a survey of saints writings, and a handy guide to prayer.

As you learn to read, meditate upon, absorb, and apply the Gospels to your life, you’ll also find ways to personalize your times of prayer, allowing you to follow the Holy Spirit’s lead along the path of holiness. Open these pages to discover the methods of meditation that best suit you, develop your friendship with Christ, and experience the true Christian joy of a deep, fruitful life of prayer.”